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So basically my stance on the cross-posting debacle goes like this:

1. I have this journal and my chandri Twitter account; these are fandom accounts. I have always cross-posted fandom things between them with no aid from a ticky-box. This will probably not change.

I also have another blog, another Twitter account, and my Facebook, which have my real name on them and on which I do not use the word fuck. Much. As a rule I don't friend fandom people on FB unless I also know them IRL and they understand The Rules. I also only have about ten people friended on Facebook who aren't on a Limited Profile - mostly the aforementioned group and blood relatives who may at one point or another have been forced to proofread my adolescent ReBoot fanfiction and couldn't give a crap that I spend large percentages of my leisure hours fantasizing about boykissing on the Internets. These are the accounts that go on my business cards, so I don't use them to talk about fandom. This will not change either.

So basically, nothing will change. As long as we go on as we have been, and nobody goes around loudly linking my two identities any more than they already are, we're cool.

2. I'm kind of... not sure why everybody's freaking out? Beyond LJ's usual devil-may-care, let's-not-bother-thinking-this-through method of implementing sweeping site-wide changes in features, but that's not new or anything. I mean, the big concern is that strangers might be able to read your locked content, right? But... how can they do that if you haven't friended them? Even if you have linked, say, your LJ and FB accounts, and somebody cross-posts a comment to a locked post, can some random friend-of-friend-of-friend actually load the locked content? I don't know about you guys, but when I'm logged out of LJ (almost never) and I try to access an f-locked page, I get a great big YOU SHALL NOT PASS sign demanding my login information. Has something changed or is there something I'm just not getting? I'd like to be able to opt out, too, but surely the immediate solution is just to NOT LINK accounts you don't want crossing over, to minimize the risks? Facebook's a pretty shitty platform for fandom-things, anyway.

Ah, well. If I weren't on vacation right now I'd probably be following this better and have some idea of why people were quite this pissed. Freaking out is a fandom cultural value. I often think of LJ as a slowly collapsing star. Something shiny and exciting, but also constantly in a state of impending implosion or explosion that will destroy planets and moons and everything in its path before collapsing into a black hole that sucks in all light and hope.

With porn.


The preceding metaphor brought to you by the fact that I visited Cape Canaveral today. It was FUCKING AWESOME.


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Sep. 2nd, 2010 06:05 am (UTC)
Iiiii am more concerned about my RL friends/family/coworkers/potential employers learning that I wrote about sex on the internet, I won't lie. D:
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:14 am (UTC)
I try to avoid it, too. And that's why Facebook and LJ should never be connected. o.O
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:14 am (UTC)
Right?? I feel like this is a disaster waiting to happen.
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:20 am (UTC)
I hate Facebook so, so much. I mean, I use it, because if you don't have one people assume you've died and it gives potential employers something tidy and respectable to Google under my name that isn't "Colourist for Harnic Bestiary", but seriously. So much hate. I have all but eight people on Limited Profile, aka: You Can Only See My Name, because Facebook is already such a mess and if I didn't do that I couldn't say fuck in my newsfeed, and then what would be the point?

LJ is for porn. Facebook is for real life. Why can't people keep that straight?
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:23 am (UTC)
SO MUCH THIS. I have Facebook because it's the only way to stay connected to some people who I would otherwise never hear from (i.e. my sister) and because it's a semi-acceptable networking tool, but I seriously hate it. I hate the games (no, I will not join Farmville to help you cyberfarm), I hate the dumb people, I hate the format, I hate the privacy settings. LJ is where I'm chill! Well, mostly. Not right now since I have had too much vodka tonight, but you know what I mean.

I like the dichotomy. Yes. Porn v. real life. Why is this so hard??
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:30 am (UTC)
Additionally, OH GOD THE LAYOUT. I remember taking a graphic design class a million years ago that said that in web page design, if you have more than five modules on a page, you're DOING IT WRONG. There are ninteen million modules on every Facebook page, plus six ads, plus two banners, plus three, seriously, THREE different navigation areas. Why would you even do that? WHY? On top of being completely impossible to navigate, with navigation options that change on every page, with like three different "central" areas... and on top of all of THAT, there is the total shittiness of the photo organizing interface. It's called "Facebook," right? The whole point is to let you share terrible pictures of yourself with the world? The photo organization should be the best thing on there, right? Except it's got no keyword-tagging, you can only have a certain number of photos in an album even though so far as I've been able to ascertain there's no limit to the number of albums you can create, you can't link albums together or put albums inside of albums... IT'S SO HORRIBLE OH GOD MY HEAD.


Sorry. I've been simultaneiously uploading vacation pictures to both (beautiful, efficient, magnificent) Flickr and Facebook all week to satisfy the technophobic members of my family and it's REALLY GETTING TO ME. (Speaking of which, guess which of the three major photo-sharing social-network systems is not set up to easily slurp photos including annotations from the other two? I BET YOU CAN GUESS.)

Anyway, yes. Life is largely defined in dichotomies. You'd think people would be used to it by now. Especially one as simple as this one, which okay, is more like a spectrum, with "respectable adult" at one end and "giggles like a schoolgirl at NC-17 AU fics where they're Girl Scout Cookies" at the other.
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:32 am (UTC)
I agree with everything you just said, and


I really need to watch Stargate so I can understand these NC-17 AUs of yours. D:
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:39 am (UTC)
Okay, remember how I said that John and Rodney were the Little Black Dress of all AU fiction ever? And how all you had to do was watch something long enough and an AU just sort of APPEARS?

In my experience, there is almost LITERALLY no case in which this is not true. :)
Sep. 2nd, 2010 06:30 am (UTC)
I mean, the big concern is that strangers might be able to read your locked content, right? But... how can they do that if you haven't friended them?

Helens78 spelled it out in this post. It mostly seems to be about the possibility of people auto-crossposting and forgetting that even locked-post comments will crosspost, so things meant to be said in confidence become public on other services.

I've seen more concern about changes in pingbacks: they're auto-enabled and may potentially quote some of your locked post to anyone you link to from that locked post. Helens78 did extensive testing to get the lowdown on how it was working.

It's the two things together causing so much uproar imo.
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:33 am (UTC)
So basically, while they couldn't click through and read the entire locked post without running up against the LOG IN OR GO AWAY page, the crosspost snaps a few lines or a picture and drops that into the destination system, regardless of privacy settings?

WTF, LJ. Why are you so incompetent?
Sep. 2nd, 2010 01:24 pm (UTC)
The problem a lot of folks are having is that on Twitter, if you don't have a subject for your post, it will post as much of the body of the post as it can. I don't know how much of that applies to, say, someone responding via comment with an icon and an empty comment (like picking the right icon and then posting [a] (edit: whoops, so that's an actual tag, and reacted like one, so I switched it to brackets LOL) so all that shows up is the icon), but it has the potential of sharing stuff without permission, and that is freaky enough.

Facebook is worse, as it uses the icon (I can't tell if the icon is the commenter's icon or the OP's icon, if they're not the same person) and a chunk of text, which I believe is the post text. Like if you post a link normally on Facebook which from seeing it on friends' posts has a comment on the link up top (which would be the response comment) and then a chunk of the text at the link (which would be the locked post in our example), but what if the icon you used on your post wasn't work safe? There are all kinds of privacy concerns in the actual application of this that are very worrisome.

Simply put, if someone liked an unlocked NC-17 fic of mine which had a naked butt icon, they could comment on it, share the link, and what if the first few lines were graphic? I know plenty of my immature high school classmates who would click on that simply because it looked racy.

Not saying you don't get why this is an issue, but cleolinda had some great images on her LJ about trying this out to see what really happens.

Edited at 2010-09-02 01:24 pm (UTC)
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:16 am (UTC)
It just... grabs a bit of whatever will fit into the destination network? Without bouncing off of filters or security or a lack of friend permissions? That is just... so BIZARRE and inconsistent. I want to wave my arms in the air and demand to know how LJ could release something like this with obviously so little testing... but this is LJ we're talking about, so. o.O
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:20 am (UTC)
EXACTLY. I literally feel like that person who (and HAS DONE, on occasion, to my friends and family's horror) waves her hands from across the street going 'hello? Sorry, but--you're about to turn onto the wrong street/lose your gas cap/piss off everyone, did you notice? This is me hoping you noticed, or helping you notice!'
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:22 am (UTC)
It's sad that this sort of thing no longer even surprises me.

But yep, my accounts were all perfectly happy living independent lives, staying waaaaay out of this. LJ is for porn, Facebook is for real life. It is not complicated, LJ. LEARN.
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:24 am (UTC)

LJ is for porn, Facebook is for real life. It is not complicated, LJ. LEARN.

I know I have to go to bed because reading this bit made me think of LJ as the person who always leaves out the important bits when they want to go to the Dicks Sporting Goods website.

OH DAMNIT, not porn AGAIN.
Sep. 2nd, 2010 11:03 pm (UTC)
I think most of my flist have their LJs f-locked. Which means, we all agree that crossposting is a no-no. So yeah... I'm not that worried. And like you said, there's a whole "NO ACCESS FOR YOU" page which blocks unwanted people. :D

Glad you're having an awesome time!! ♥
Sep. 4th, 2010 02:23 am (UTC)
My LJ and Facebook are not connected and never will be, so I'm not that worried.

I am having a TOTALLY AWESOME TIME. Unfortunately it's almost over. And then I have to interview new roommates. And not hyperventilate. Why does it have to be almost over? :(
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